Below is an excerpt from an article from 1999. The writer is a skeptic., but we need skeptics In the field. They keep us honest and encourage us to thoroughly examine each piece of evidence so we only present our best. That being said, the reason I thought I’d share this is because this article is about a journalist that joined the early discussion groups on bigfoot back in 1997 and stayed in these groups until 1999. Back in the days went bigfoot first went viral. The golden years if you will, when weird people could finally find other weird people and talk about weird shit together. A safe place for believers. But when the writer is discussing different theories of bigfoot’s origin it becomes obvious that we really haven’t been able to get as far as we thought we would by now in our knowledge of them, and worse, our online attitude or online presence in these discussions boards hasn’t changed much either. The community is still divided on what bigfoot is exactly flesh and blood? Or inter dimensional aliens, etc. and of course the trolls still be trolling. And the haters are always gonna hate. The internet is probably one of the most amazing things that happened to humanity and we still aren’t utilizing it the best ways we can. There are so many changes happening in our human story lately. We just recently found another link in our evolutionary chain proving we don’t know everything even about ourselves, so we will likely never know everything about them. And we need to continue to share each other’s evidence, theories and when we’re ready, (stressing when you’re ready) maybe the locations we are finding our evidence in as well so maybe a fresh set of eyes might find something we missed. After all we can’t keep an eye on these areas 24/7. Article excerpt :
“It turns out that there are two main “camps” in this debate: those adhering to the aforementioned “biological entity” position, and those who believe in a “paranormal Bigfoot.” Many of those who support the “biological” view apparently believe the creature is one of cos- mopolitan distribution—with reports from practically every state (my native southern Ohio is high on the list). This school of Bigfoot-naturalists also follows the reports o f many other similar creatures from around the globe, such as the Almas o f Asia, the Yowie o f Australia, and, of course, the famous Yeti. Paranormal Bigfoot enthusiasts are also a bit divided. There- are those who believe that Bigfoot is a super-shaman who has been known all along to Native Americans. This “medicine- man” is capable of “shape-shifting” into various forms, one of which we call Bigfoot. There are also the folks who believe Bigfoot to be an “inter-dimensional ” This perspective explains why Bigfoot apparently dematerializes in some sightings, or why its tracks suddenly stop in the middle of a field. Still another angle on the phenomenon from this side of the debate is the “Bigfoot as extraterrestrial” position (some Bigfoot sightings are suppos- edly accompanied by UFOs). But even this sub-position still suffets from internal dissonance: some believe that Bigfoot is an extraterrestrial, while others think that it may merely be manipulated by the extraterrestrials, or that it may even be an android or a robot that serves as a companion. Of course, once extraterrestrials have been invoked, con- spiracy theories cannot be far behind. So it is in the humble cryptozoological field of Bigfoot study. List members suggested several times thai Bigfoot information is being suppressed by the federal government. Some conversation centered around the usefulness of the Freedom of Information Act for obtaining data. Other discussion, including sighting reports, mentioned the infamous and ubiquitous “black helicopters” and govern- ment “black operations” of contemporary paranormal lore…”
Back in 2006, this international reporter got a chance to do what every bigfoot researcher would love to do, hit the Malaysian jungle and look for a Mawa. This is her original article of that adventure, from The Independent, and I’ve also added below some prints, witness encounters and articles. Enjoy!
Byline: Jan McGirk
At first glance it might have seemed like nothing. A four-inch impression in the mud of the Malaysian rainforest. On closer inspection, however, it seemed as if it might be the astounding find the expedition had been hoping for. A footprint of the creature known variously as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the tropical Yeti or – to locals – the Mawas.
Said to grow up to 10- feet tall, with an awesome arm span, a trio of these undiscovered hominids were at the centre of a flurry of unconfirmed sightings by frightened plantation workers three months ago. And in the fading light of the Bukit Lantang woods on the fringe of dense forest in Johor state, a single splayed print appeared to offer the most compelling evidence yet that we were on the trail of the mighty beast.
The Mawas appears to have grabbed for support when it teetered off-balance, because tree branches 11 feet overhead had been damaged, directly above the spot where the animal’s left heel had sunk four inches into a muddy puddle. A stick had snapped beneath one of its toe depressions.
A second fresh footprint proved impossible to find but recent damage to a rotting log, located a couple of strides away, suggested it had might have borne a prodigious weight.
For the excitable team of Yeti hunters, mainly a mix of Singapore enthusiasts and volunteers from the capital Kuala Lumpur it was vindication. Even the sceptics, including this reporter, were secretly impressed.
As with the two extremely faded footprints that had been found preserved in fresh tar on a nearby road, this print measured nearly a triple handspan across, roughly 11 by 19 inches. The Australian tracker Tony Burke, part of the Singapore team, estimated that to make such a print, an animal would have to weigh at least 240kg.
“I’m a cynic, but if we could see a right footprint as well, we could at least measure its gait. Maybe if we had some scat, I could be totally convinced,” he said. “I am about 50 percent there. Let’s see what the lab results are.”
An official government committee of research scientists, appointed by Abdul Ghani Oth-man, chief minister of Johor state, has been trying to verify Bigfoot’s existence since late January, by interviewing witnesses, setting up camera traps in its likely haunts, and collecting evidence from tribal informants in the national parks.
But our paranormal investigators’ search party, tailed by an excitable science-fiction film crew from Los Angeles, was anything but stealthy. Kong Kam Choy, a 40-year-old construction worker who likes to trek through the jungle in his free time, convinced the gaggle of researchers to tramp through a leech-infested grove near a palm plantation where he had come across unusually big tracks that he could not readily identify.
It was just two hours before dusk, thunder was rumbling and the group was disappointed, having made a futile afternoon voyage upriver to examine a set of tracks discovered on 10 January near the Tanjung Sedili creek. These had since been washed away by tropical downpours and overrun by wild boar.
Then we struck gold. Kenny Fong, an e-commerce professor who founded Singapore Paranormal Investigators five years ago, came running when Josh Gates, a sci-fi documentary maker, summoned him to check out the peculiarly large footprint.
Professor Fong considers himself a debunker who is keen to spot a hoax. Using a police crime scene kit designed to preserve footprints for court evidence, he set about the job. A technician required three full bags of plas ter (at about 1lb a bag) to fill the huge depression made by the single footprint. The muddy size 20 footprint was doused with hair-spray before quick-setting plaster was poured into each crevice.
As the group gawked and cameras whirred, the print took on that unmistakable and almost comically ominous Bigfoot shape – the flat foot with four rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side. “People say Bigfoot doesn’t exist, and I have had my doubts. But what else could it be?” asked Profes sor Fong, who promptly toppled off a hillock in his excitement to photograph the group in front of the fresh paw print.
According to Vincent Chow, a Malaysian bio-diversity expert, this area of diverse rainforest has been rife with Bigfoot sightings all month. “An elephant has been foraging in those woods for food, so farmers set off explo sives to frighten it away from their fields,” he said. “But animals get accustomed to these blasts and ignore them. Now we think a Bigfoot family of three may be shadowing the elephant, who clears the way.
“Fourteen large footprints were found nearby on Saturday. Then at 4am, workers were awakened by 10 minutes of weird hooting, a kind of call and re sponse session, while they were asleep at a palm oil plantation.” The planter, Abdul Rahman Ahmad, said his terrified workers at Komping Lukut described the eerie night cries as long drawls in three distinct pitches. “They said it sounded like squeals of wild pigs mixed up with the deep barks of gibbons – but not like owls,” he recounted. They also heard heavy crashing through the underbrush. Mr Chow speculated that at least three different animals, which the local tribes call Hantu Jarang Gigi, or “snaggle-toothed ghosts”, must have been involved in this curious chorus.
Historical records show eight claimed sightings of enormous apemen in southern Malaysia that date back to 1871, and the Orang Asli tribes who inhabit the forest famously dread an encounter with these shy, over sized apes, known variously as Sasquatch in Canada, Yowie in eastern Australia, Bigfoot in the western US or the Yeti in the Himalayas.
The creature is almost ubiquitous and many cultures throughout the world have legends about man-beasts. Recorded sightings in North America date back to the early 1800s. According to some Native American tribes, the Sasquatch are not flesh-and-blood creatures in the first place but spirits which appear to humans in times of crisis. But despite numerous sightings, photos and footprints of often questionable origin, there has never been conclusive proof that these creatures exist. No droppings, no bones, no hair and no bodies found – alive or dead.
So far the same remains true of the Malaysian Mawas.
A photo of the clear new footprints preserved in tar ran in Kuala Lumpur’s leading English daily, the New Straits Times, last Sunday. One group of local Big-foot-stalkers claimed to have unearthed evidence that up to 40 of the reclusive black-furred Mawas hominids were roaming the rainforest feasting on rambutan, durian, mangoes and fish. The animals are said to range all along the dense jungle that connects Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai districts and are not exclusively vegetarian. Their huge bulk must also be maintained by hunting jungle fowl and mule deer near the swamps.
Some scientists theorise that these enormous Malaysian apes might have descended from Gi-gantopithecus, a huge primate that roamed southern China more than 300,000 years ago.
Jane Goodall, probably the most distinguished primatologist in academia, is an unabashed Bigfoot enthusiast and recently confessed: “I’m a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. Peo-ple from very different back grounds and different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds … so the existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability.”
In Malaysia, Mawas-mania is building, fuelled partly by television. The plaster cast from Bukit Lantang woods will be presented to government scientists by Syed Abdullah Alattas, a Malaysian celebrity bet ter known as “Uncle”, who stars in a popular reality show called Seekers. Every week he tracks down the paranormal on cam era, invariably surrounded by a group of female acolytes armed with daggers, who squeal fetchingly whenever they en counter the unknown.
For our trip, the Seekers crew had brought in an array of are cane equipment, including re mote control robot cameras, in frared goggles and sound-en hancers, but the fresh footprint was found by chance. During a demonstration of the sound-boosting sensors before we left for the jungle, it was easy to distinguish whether restaurant diners were chewing on breakfast croissants or toast. But, during a 12-hour monitoring period in the forest, no aural trace of the bigfoot was detected.
Lack of evidence is not likely to slow the bandwagon building momentum in Kuala Lumpur though. Cartoons show a giant ape straddling the landmark Petronas Towers and grinning rubber-ape masks are being hawked at traffic lights in the city centre. Despite the growing ex citement, there have been no urban sightings of Bigfoot. So far, the only sign of the primates has been found in the southern wilds, usually close to the water.
The Johor National Park director, Hashim Yusof, is scepti cal about the existence of giant apes, but will not rule out the pos sibility. “The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 500 square miles. We only have information on half of the flora and fauna in side it,” he admitted. The area lies in roughly the same latitude as Borneo, where thousands of species unknown to science have recently come to light.
Environmentalists are concerned that the craze to market Bigfoot as a peace-loving new-age monster may put the entire rainforest ecology at risk – and indeed some think that the sightings may be linked to environmental changes in the first place.
Hamid Mohd Ali, a frog-catcher from the Orang Asli tribe, claims he came eye to eye with a giant ape, which his people call the “Siamang”, late last year. Other locals allege that they saw the giant creature cross the road at twilight or leap down from a river bank.
“We believe that people can only see it once in a lifetime,” Hamid told reporters. “But in this year alone, four villagers have seen it [the Bigfoot] and we think this is because of the shrinking jungle.”
Hamid Mohd Ali, a frog-catcher from the Orang Asli tribe, claims he came eye to eye with a giant ape last year
Copyright: COPYRIGHT 2006 Independent Digital News and Media Limited
Adnan Pungut, 48, claimed he discovered the footprints when he was clearing rubbish and wood at his rubber estate at 3pm on Saturday June 15, 2013
A few significant sightings:
In 1959, a mining engineer named Arthur Potter was sleeping in his boat by the side of Lake Tasek Chini, Pahang State, Malaysia, when something lifted off part of the roof of the boat. He switched on a flashlight and saw a huge, red eye. The next day, he found 18-inch tracks in the mud.
Apelike footprints 18 inches long, 6 inches wide, and 5 inches deep were found near Segamat, Johor State, in early August 1966.
In 1970, Harold Stephens and Kurt Rolfes photographed giant hominid tracks, 19 inches long and 10 inches wide, on a sandbar in the upper reaches of the Sungai Endau River, Pahang State.
Students at a vocational institute near Lumut, Perak State, reported seeing 10-foot hairy creatures at night during the second week of August 1979.
Huge, four-toed footprints were found near Cape Tanjung Piai, Johor State, on January 12, 1995
January 13, 1995, on the Malaysian newspaper Deseret News:
Kuala Lumpur – As the hunt for a massive hairy creature called ‘Bigfoot’ entered its sixth day Thursday, Malaysian trekkers stumbled upon fresh footprints indicating they were close to its hide-out, investigators said. Army and police units, wildlife experts and jungle tribes joined the search dubbed ‘Operasi Kaki Besar’ in Malay, or ‘Operation Bigfoot’. They combed several thousand square miles of dense jungle surrounding Tanjung Piai in Johore, the southernmost state of the Malaysian peninsula, where reports of sightings were first received. Tension mounted when superstitious villagers and jungle tribes feared that the fresh ‘footprints’ could belong to another ‘Bigfoot’, despite government efforts to assure them that there was only one ‘Bigfoot’, not two. Tribesmen burned twigs and dried leaves, banged tin cans and gongs, performed ritual dances and kept a 24-hour vigil with spears in an attempt to drive away the creature, which they said had been sent to Malaysia by evil forests. The eight-foot-tall creature’s fresh footprints, found in dense undergrowth, measure about 1 1/2 feet long and display only four toes, investigators said.”
Another report, this one from the last week of 1999, tells of a man from a tiny village on a remote area in the southern state of Negeri Sembilan. Liong Chong Shen, age 50, was working on his orchard when he suddenly sensed a strong animal scent and heard grunts nearby. He then saw two Mawas — a tall one and a shorter sidekick — standing near some rubber trees. Fearing an attack, the villager moved away, but with a last glance noticed that the creatures were also departing the area into the thick growth. He described the beasts as being 6 and 5 ft tall respectively, exhibiting long shaggy hair, the larger specimen shinny black colored, and the smaller one brown
Although the Moscow Library held a copy, they weren’t prepared to relinquish it. But eventually, the now-deceased Yeti researcher Dmitri Bayanov introduced Freeman to Porshnev’s great grandson, who agreed for them to be translated.
These globe-trotting accounts record tales of shaggy-headed, fur-covered creatures with “long breasts” prowling the Pamir mountains, and wild-men in Kyrgyzstan that long ago walked on two legs like humans but had feet twice the size, like paddles. Strange hominids were thought to inhabit caves, mountains and creeks in the Faizobod district of Tajikistan. Elsewhere, in Urgut, Uzbekistan, the creatures would supposedly sit for hours on earthen mounds, leaving behind deep imprints of their asses.
“ So, does bigfoot exist? I believe it does. But what a bigfoot is, is a whole other beast of a question, isn’t it? That’s why I’m out here hunting the truth, I’m trying to find those answers…” __ Jay Bachochin
It’s Saturday night, I’m in my Jammies, I’ve popped my popcorn now I’m sitting down to watch and review a new documentary. One that I’ve been eagerly anticipating for awhile. Beyond the Kettle Finding Jay 2.
If you’re not familiar with Jay, and didn’t catch his first documentary, Finding Jay, here’s a bit from a previous interview I had with Jay about what made him began his journey with bigfoot;
“While I was still fascinated with the ghost phenomenon it wasn’t until October 2013 when I entered the Kettle Moraine. We heard what sounded like a simian type yell in the distant woods. We couldn’t identify it. Personally, I’ve never been the big outdoor man and didn’t know all the sounds of the woods. That’s why I went onto the computer to find some sounds of the indigenous animals in Southeast Wisconsin. We couldn’t find a match. And It intrigued me so much that I thought, maybe there is something to this Bigfoot.”
His first documentary he presents some very interesting evidence he’s collected over his five year long research into the Kettle Moraine in Wisconsin. For me personally, the evidence presented that showed something moving out there like a Predator cloaked alien (I know some people hate that description, but it fits)! It shook me a bit. You put your own theory of what one can be into this little box, but then evidence like this comes along and challenges those beliefs and theories and it makes you reevaluate everything because that box didn’t leave a spot open for an encounter like that.
Jay has had other bigfoot encounters out there before, so he knows a little bit about what you may find out there should you head to the kettle. Here is a bit about his encounters from that same past interview;
“I have had four encounters with bigfoot. They all weren’t up close Harry and The Henderson’s style, but unique enough to know what it was. The first one was really quite extraordinary. It was at night in the woods with no light, the snow filled the forest floor and you can see like an animal without any lights. I saw this 8 foot being swaying from side to side and then it glided as if it was on the wire to another tree. I wasn’t scared as I was more intrigued.
Now, fast forward just a couple of years, and you have the follow up, Beyond the Kettle. In this second documentary, he addresses what many people have reported seeing in the forests, sometimes along with bigfoot sighting as well. The orbs or strange lights in the forests have been seen for centuries now. Some call these lights, will-o’ of the wisps.
They are scientifically explained as being swamp gas. Swamp gas experts say it’s caused by organic matter breaking down near wetlands. But no one can really explain how this “swamp gas”, is able move around. These lights out there in the woods that people see, that I’ve seen, they moves, and not always near water. And these circular orbs Jay and other respected researchers have seem are just flying around. (amongst other strangeness as well) The husband and wife team of the singular fortean society and Adam Benedict of the pine barrens institute both appear in this documentary and share their thoughts on what they have witnessed out there hike with Jay.
There are other great researchers appearing in this documentary as well, such as Steve Kulls The Squatch Detective. He is one of the researchers Jay trusts to help isolate and analyze the audio and video evidence he captures, but he also weighs in on the strange lights phenomena as well. (And of course the woo!)
David Weatherly speaks to the folkloric aspect of the lights. Discussing many different theories out there on what they may be. A few he mentions are the fae people, spirit,, and even otherworldly creature. I myself am not sure yet of what I think they could be. But regardless of whatever they may be, as you are seeing them for yourself, your mind is thinking “what the hell is that?!”
Rounding out the esteemed “four horseman” (jay’s words) is Ken Gerhard and Ron Morehead of Sierra Sounds discussing bigfoot language and Quantum Bigfoot. The line up of all these researchers combined is very impressive.
But at the center of all this, what all this is really about is Jay’s journey and what does all this evidence, all these encounters mean to him, what does beyond the kettle mean to him? Well…let’s ask him that and maybe a few other things too.
You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth…
Jay went down to the kettle….
What are these new techniques and experiments you’re doing in woods! (Like leap frog)
When I go out hiking, I am always using the ‘human technique’. The ‘human technique’ is simple because we don’t have to try to be human, of course, we just are. So talking out loud, laughing and enjoying nature by observing our surroundings is one of the best techniques you can use. They are curious about us and will come in for a closer look if we’re not dressed in camouflage and walking quietly like “we’re hunting wabbit”. It’s the human condition Bigfoot finds curious and entertaining. With that said, in 2017 I began a technique called ‘The Leap Frog Technique’. While using safety and being smart, we will use walkie-talkies to communicate as we send 1 person up 100 yards on the path, the next person will go only 50 yards and the last person stays put at the starting spot. The objective is to safely isolate ourselves in the woods while using the ‘human technique’ of being alone in the woods. We’re hoping that the curious forest people come in for a closer look to one of us. We can whistle, cup our hands and clap twice, talk to the woods, just be human while being alone. While doing this technique over the years I have been collecting data of those that experience something while they are isolated. An encounter doesn’t always happen to the people you hike with, it’ll happen with different people. The results are staggering. It seems like the less equipment you have on you, the better the chance Bigfoot will approach closer. My theory is that these forest people can sense our feelings (or intentions) while being the woods. Those that have their cameras going the whole time may seem aggressive (as they want to stay hidden). However, those without any recording devices can’t record their encounter and that is exactly what a Bigfoot we be attracted to, not to be caught on film or audio. Other technique has also been effective and that is to stop hiking for miles to try and find Bigfoot. Bigfoot will find you (i.e. how I named my first documentary). We’ll never find Bigfoot but Bigfoot will find us. So hike into the woods and bring a camping chair and just sit and be patient. Again, the human technique. Bottom line, it’s a double edge sword, or a damned if you, damned if you don’t strategy. Do you want to make contact or have an encounter without any proof or do you want to use all that technology wrapped over your body and not experience or encounter anything? It’s a crap shoot and it really comes down to the individual’s intentions: Prove it to the world and be rich with all the money in the world or to have a one on one relationship with a being we don’t fully understand and learn from?
Has your theories about Bigfoot changed since your last documentary?
Pretty much my whole life I didn’t believe Bigfoot existed, that is, up until 2013. At this point I thought Bigfoot was a flesh and blood primate we (science) hasn’t caught up with yet. Yet, over the years of researching these beings we haven’t found a body or bones. So how could that be if they were just a flesh and blood primate. The more you research these beings (books, podcasts and of course, boots to ground) you begin to have more questions than answers. How did the tracks I found in 2014 just suddenly end? I followed 12 of them and they disappeared in a clearing with the closest large tree 25 yards away. Did it jump that long distance to the trees? Walk through a portal? Sprout wings and fly away? Since my last film I have ‘shifted’ my beliefs of Bigfoot. I do believe Bigfoot is flesh and blood (as it leaves physical prints as evidence) but also, people have sightings of a physical being. But i now believe they have special attributes that we can’t comprehend. I don’t mix supernatural with the paranormal because they each have a different meaning. Supernatural means they would have abilities that we as humans do not. Can they speak with their minds using telepathy? Can they use infrasound with other animals or people to make themselves invisible? Are they so advanced that they can alter their physical form into energy to travel quickly and silently through the woods to avoid detection? We really don’t know those answers but this is how I approach Bigfoot in the woods.
You’ve gone out with a few great researchers, what are some of the great tips and tactics you got from them?
It’s common that different researchers use different techniques because of their beliefs in their own quest. But if there is one technique I can take away to use for myself, that is a reward. One technique is so simple. Do not let your bias get the best of you (i.e. there is a Bigfoot behind every tree). It’s very easy for me to say I’m not expecting an encounter (but realistically I’m jumping up and down in the inside that today can be the day!). So while a lot of researchers dress in camouflage and are silent in the brush, using trail cams, pheromones, etc. I may not use those techniques but I do respect them and their own personal quest. But I always remain open and learn from other researchers.
Do you have just one or two specific areas in the kettle you frequent, or do you investigate all over?
I’m definitely not like ‘Finding Bigfoot’ where I can travel all over the United States to investigate. One, I’m not rich and have the funds and two, I found an area of the Kettle (about a 15 mile radius) and have certain areas of this area deemed as ‘areas’. I’ve had so many encounters in ‘this’ area since 2013 and don’t plan to go outside this area. The radius has (5) separate areas I research which I deem Area A, B or C, etc. People ask me why I don’t go outside these areas and it’s simple: I don’t have all the answers I’m seeking in this area. It may take me the rest of my life to keep investigating this area but I’d rather have the answers I seek then try to prove they exist outside this radius.
What do you think all these orbs we see could be? And how do you think they could be related to bigfoot?
Why do I think the ‘orbs’ of light are connected with Bigfoot? That’s a simple answer (for me). Let me digress on how I came to this conclusion of what the orbs of lights are in the woods. In August of 2020 I experienced the trifacta of Bigfoot encounters. We heard a fake owl call (as if it was made by a person or other), and then a very incredible thermal capture of a Bigfoot peeking around a tree and as it finally ducked for the last time behind a tree, a well lit orb came from the same area I caught the peeking Bigfoot on thermal. But then the unexpected happened as the orb of light went from left to right in front of us, we heard an incredibly loud breaking through the trees and brush. My theory is that the flesh and blood Bigfoot peeking behind the tree became energy to evade being caught on thermal and glided seamlessly through the trees only to become solid flesh and blood again which caused all the breaking through the brush. While that’s a far-out theory, it’s only because I experienced the trifacta of bigfoot behavior (without the orbs of light). The orb of light was a bonus in this encounter.
Is there anything different to how you pack now for an investigation out there compared to now?
I used to go LIGHTS. CAMERAS. ACTION. into the woods. I was my own TV Production Crew. Nowadays I ‘try’ to carry less technology on me even though I do carry it in my side bag (just in case I need it). It’s that age old debate: do I carry no technology and maybe have a better chance of an encounter or carry technology in hopes to capture something? It really is a struggle for me as I’m not trying to capture evidence to prove to the world that Bigfoot exists, however, I would like at least show my wife I caught this Bigfoot on film so she doesn’t think her husband is crazy. Today I put on a body cam and my audio device to record and conceal everything else and have the mind set that I’m just hiking in the woods. That way I forget about the body cam and audio device that allows me to concentrate on the hike as the ‘human technique’ is legitimate. That’s my belief anyway. It’s hit or miss so I keep trying different things and evolve with my journey.
Now that the children are older are they wanting to be more involved or less?
Both of my kids still hold a big interest in Bigfoot and dad’s quest to Hunt the Truth but honestly it was easier when they were younger. They had no choice (I say that laughing out loud). But honestly, they are older, still hold that interest but it’s not their main interest anymore which is ok with me. It may take a little coaxing to get them out in the woods like I did when they were younger but once they get out, they are happy to be back in the woods. My goal was to teach my kids not to just look for bigfoot, rather, to Hunt the Truth. Hunting the Truth doesn’t end with Bigfoot, Aliens or Ghosts. I have taught them to question everything and seek their answers (just don’t listen to it from someone and accept that answer). With that being said, my kids still come out to the woods with me but they are both different in accepting a noise in the woods or an eerie feeling they had. They both think it could be a bigfoot but it could also be something else.
Do you still investigate the Beast of Bray Road?
Bray road is on my way to and from where I research in the Kettle. So I still patrol Bray Road and the surrounding roads from time to time. Unfortunately Bray Road is not accessible by pulling off the road to investigate. Bray Road is occupied by 3rd and 4th Generation Farmers so it’s all Privately Owned. I also believe that ‘the Beast’ is not confined to Bray Road. This Dogman could’ve been the red eyes I’ve seen in the Kettle back in 2016. It could be possible Dogman is a different kind of Bigfoot or Bigfoot is related to a Dogman. It’s hard to say at this point. Bottom line I do still investigate Dogman ‘The Beast’ but it many not always be on Bray Road.
Do you think the Kettle Moraine is like its own Bridgewater Triangle with all these strange happenings reported there?
Without investigating the Bridewater Triangle I can only go by what I’ve experienced in the Kettle Moraine. If all these encounters in the Bridgewater Triangle are true then yes, I think they can one in the same. Different areas on the globe that all share the same phenomenon.
What does beyond the kettle mean to you?
‘Beyond the Kettle’ is a play on words. One would think the title refers to me exploring beyond the Kettle into other areas of the state or other states. On the contrary ‘Beyond the Kettle’s means that I am still in the Kettle exploring but I need to look past the hills, trails and trees. Look beyond what I can visually see and have an open mind to other out-of-this-world possibilities. Sometimes you need to take a leap a faith as the questions you seek only bring more questions, not answers.
Do you feel bigfoot is more of supernatural being?
Nobody knows what a bigfoot is (as there is no wrong answer). But since I’m asked if a Bigfoot is a Supernatural Being I’ll give you my opinion. I believe they are Supernatural and are the first humans on planet Earth. I believe they have adapted to their environment and nature itself. By doing so, their behavior is like a wild animal, however, they are very intelligent to know one simple word ‘consequence’. Wild animals don’t have a consequence mentality. A wild cougar or angered bear would have no problem attacking a human. They’re animals and they are doing what they instinctively do. Bigfoot won’t advance on the human race or abduct them while they are out for a walk on the trails. They would know if they broke that rule, the rest of us humans would go searching for that missing person. This would cause a disruption in their daily lives as they just want to be left alone and prosper. So I believe these Bigfoot ‘people’ use only what nature and their surroundings give them. This is how they have special attributes (which we would call Supernatural). Supernatural is something we don’t understand and like to call it Paranormal. But both Supernatural and Paranormal are two completely different things.
When and where can everyone find the documentary?
Currently you can find both FINDING JAY and BEYOND THE KETTLE: FINDING JAY 2 streaming on Vimeo. You can find both links to Vimeo for both films on his website : www.jaybachochin.com. Keep checking in to the website for updates.
If people want to contact you about their encounters, where is the best spot to reach you?
The best place to contact me is on my website. www.jaybachochin.com. There you can send me a message and reach out with any questions or encounters you have had. Even if someone on the East Coast had a strange encounter, they can message me on my website here in Wisconsin. If we collectively worked together we could unite in Hunting the Truth to try and solve the questions we all ask.
“The truth is in our own reality, in what we discover, there are 8 billion people in the world, everyone has their own truth. I don’t even know if there is just one truth anymore. But the truth is the one that you find, the one that makes sense. So you have to go out and discover for yourself, find your truth.
I found my truth, beyond the kettle moraine…”
This documentary has everything you want to see in one film. There are witness encounters, great researchers, a bigfoot and paranormal hot spot, and finally, evidence!
Beyond the Kettle starts streaming in just a few days on Vimeo August 22nd, I absolutely recommend it! I can’t say enough, You don’t want to miss this one!
The delight was not unanimous. In general our announcement about out adventure was received by our friends with a flat- tering gloom, “Why not the lake or chloroform or something usual and immediate results instead of taking the trouble to go to Africa and give ourselves to a lion for lunch ? Also, demanded the
merry ones, if anything did happen, were we planning to ship the consumer back to the Zoo so they could place memorial wreaths about its neck ?
They called attention to Mr. McCutcheon’s picture of the jolly little cemetery back of Nairobi with “Killed by Lion” on every cross, and quoted “The bulge was Algy,”with persistent humor. Especially they pointed out that the gorilla was not noted for hospitality and presented us with various accounts in which we came upon some such heartening paragraph as, “The poor brave fellow who had gone off alone was lying on the ground in a pool of his own blood, his entrails torn out, his gun beside him, bitten in two by the gorilla’s teeth.”
I admit there was room for both humor and dismay. Between the lion’s chances for lunch and ours for a rug the odds we’re sportingly similar. Records were not encouraging, describing the grown male as a demon of ferocity, attacking on sight with a fury few hunters can withstand; but the records of the
gorilla were extremely scarce. It is surprising to learn how little has been discovered about the animal since Du Chaillu wrote his blood- curdling accounts of his adventures in the West Coast Jungle. There is no gorilla in a museum mounted by a man who ever saw a wild gorilla? We know almost nothing of habits or capacities”…
From the the book I’m currently reading.,
On the Gorilla Trail…by MARY HASTINGS BRADLEY.
Mary Bradley is listed as an author, she did pen some sci-fi books. But she wrote a series of books pertaining to her adventure in Africa looking for the great ape. The gorillas.
She spoke of coming to an island of them. Like In King Kong they must have been completely taken back arriving there. They came in to contact with all kinds of animals not seen live before, they also encountered cannibals of their travels. She may be listed as author but she is also a woman of the woods who went on an expedition few women got to do in their life, especially there and in the time in history.
I’ve been reading about the early gorilla encounters, seeing the similarities of what these zoologist/anthropologist went through in their quests as bigfoot researchers do now.
Most believe bigfoot is a great ape. So knowing about their history of discovery is helpful.
But reading this history is not, I repeat is not for the faint of heart. They were not treated well. Horrifically would be a good description of their treatment in the hands of man.
Captured, killed, experimented on, torn from their families.
After reading all this you may think twice about wanting to find a bigfoot alive and bring him in. Even if giving the easiest of opportunities, I’ll never do it, never. They don’t deserve us. Let history be a reminder….
Flashback on this Friday back to this TEENY LITTLE BIGFOOT ON MARS picture. This is a tiny piece from a panorama taken by the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit on 2007 on it’s position on Home Plate. Pareidolia is a killer when squatching, I definitely had a little trick of the eyes this past week it happens to the best of us!
So, when you’re out there squatching this weekend remember what Grover Krantz warned, “With enough imagination, almost any object of about the right size and shape can be seen as a sasquatch .” Exhaustion, nervousness, or even drugs can generate bigfoot sightings and Sasquatches,” Krantz cautioned, “often come out of whisky bottles.” I’m not sure about the whiskey bottle part, but black stumps, dark holes in trees and branches moving in the breeze have definitely gotten me lol! So have fun out there this weekend and don’t forget to bring your glasses!
My uncle Bruce, a salt of the earth, backwoods country type who enjoys hunting and putting lead shot in just about anything that moves has a big foot story that has always troubled him.
The animal itself didn’t trouble him as much as his docile/demure reaction to the animal did.
What troubles Bruce is that he cannot explain why he was in his words “such a efing vagina about it”, he didn’t do what he knows he should have done, and even now to this day you will see him get lost in thought and troubled by his passivity which was so against his normal behavior, and that would have been to put a cap in bigfoot’s ass.
I think it is rather telling, that through all of the sightings of Bigfoot, no one has managed to put a cap in his ass.
Long story short, Bruce was standing at the water’s edge of a small lake outside of Hannibal Missouri in 1980. His buddy was fifty foot into the water on a small row boat.
While Bruce was casting his line into the water comforted by the presence of his 357 magnum revolver, a large upright hairy man came crashing through the small trees and brush, the hairy man came to the waters edge no more than twenty feet away from Bruce and began drinking from the lake. The creature must have sensed Bruce’s presense, he looked at Bruce and let out a blood curdling howl like scream while staring into the depths of my uncle’s soul. Bruce stood there frozen, and as the animal bounded off back into the woods Bruce’s fishing companion yelled from the boat, “Damn Bruce, I thought I was going to have to go back home and tell you’re new wife that you had been eaten by a monster”.
The reaction to all of this is what is pertinent to the story.
Bruce then continued to fish for the next three hours as if nothing had ever happened. And he and his buddy NEVER talked about it again.
Bruce to this day cannot figure out why he didn’t, firstly pull out his gun in case the creature attacked, and secondly he can’t figure out why he didn’t follow the creature’s trail afterwards, and thirdly why he just stood there like nothing ever happened.
The whole thing troubles Bruce to no end. And to a man who takes any type of confrontation very seriously and reacts with the utmost male bravado and violence, this was so out of character as far as his reaction to the event that day that it has troubled him ever since.
When doing some research, I stumbled on this gem on a discussion board by someone identifying himself as Norman, from 2015.
But some of the encounter is very interesting. When he’s talking about his uncle feeling frozen and confused, curious why he wouldn’t/couldn’t reach for his gun or move to do any type of defense like they whammied him.
Lots of witnesses describe this same reaction. Is it fear or is it a type of mind control?
What do you think? Frozen with fear or mind control?
Nathaniel Peterson, known better to his followers as Coyote, uploaded a video about the alleged find to his YouTube channel Brave Wilderness, explaining that he found the “large primate skull” in British Columbia
These photos that Coyote Peterson leaked went viral faster then Madonna and her insane instagram posts. (Madonna please stop we love you just the way you are).
For days on end this is all I saw everywhere, including my own feed. I did post it on twitter myself. My first thought? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if it was true?
But I wonder now, knowing it’s not true, (and pretty sure I knew wasn’t then too) What is driving this recent need to bag a bigfoot right now. What drives someone to hoax something? Is it for fame, money? Those like clicks, subscribers, that push your monetization amounts up? Are those things really worth our integrity? Without said bigfoot integrity is all we have.
Let’s use his embarrassment as a learning curve. There is no short cuts to fame here. If you hoax a sighting (or skull) you always get caught. Always. It’s not worth it. And always remember about the boy who cried bigfoot. He faked it first, and then when bigfoot really showed up no one believed him.
I hope you do get your dream of seeing one. I hope I do too. I get that question all the time you know, “Have you ever even seen a bigfoot? “I have not yet face to face, but I’m okay with that. I enjoy the search, the time in the woods, talking to you. I like the community part of it.
I love seeing the changes happen of where we search and how we search, it’s all fascinating to me. I love the research and the history
I may never see one, the percentage of that happening is low, but that’s okay. Everyone it’s okay. Every thought you share, possible evidence you document is important too.. Just enjoy the moment you’re in.
Every now and again I’m lucky to find some gems while researching, and today, after an early morning adventure, followed by a good long swim to beat the heat, I began my research and found this recorded interview of Carleton Coon by David Masters at his home in Gloucester Massachusetts. This interview took place in 1978 just four short years before his passing.
What I would have given to be at his home doing this interview myself, seeing all his many collections of books, bones, etc. You could tell from the interview he was also showing David Masters some of his collections.
For those who don’t know who Carleton Coon was, he was an American Anthropologist, He received his degree from Harvard University and was president of the American Association of Physical Medicine, he used Typology to determine the basis of racial and ethnic differences. He is most known for his race theories and book , The Races of Europe. (As well as others) A reviewer of this book particular book wrote,;
“One of the most important anthropological overviews of European racial types ever published. Contains the full set of original photographic plates. Once a college standard, this book has been suppressed for 50 years.”
Carleton had another belief as well, he believed Sasquatch was real. He’s quoted as saying…
“To my mind, a reasonable person who has studied the evidence carefully, like John Green, Rene Dahinden, and Grover Kranz, may be expected to have confidence that the animal exists, but they may not hold him dear or like him very much, because his existence surprises or frightens them. Even before I read John Green’s book, “Sasquatch. The Apes Among us”, I accepted the Sasquatch’s existence.”
This is just a small part of the interview but if you have any free time on your hands you should listen to it in its entirety.
“At the time of his passing, June 1981, Carleton Stevens Coon, age 76, was lauded in a New York Times obituary “as one of the last great general anthropologists….” This tribute was remarkable as it came well after the star of this 20th century Renaissance man had lost much of its luster, as had a comprehensive anthropology rooted in careful analysis of skeletal structure supplemented with a thorough knowledge of archaeology, linguistics, and history–for at no point did he neglect culture. Carleton (or “Carl”) Coon had lived a full life of scholarship in the groves of academe, but ventured far beyond, having completed extensive field work in North Africa, Ethiopia, and the Balkans. During the Second World War, he actively supported American and Allied forces in North Africa, running guns as an agent of the Office of Strategic Services to members of the French resistance in Morocco in connection with Anglo-American campaign of 1942-1943 against Axis forces. He returned to the field postwar, exploring sites in the Middle East. Shortly thereafter, he appeared frequently on the early television science series “What in the World?” and became president of the American Anthropological Association in 1962.”
Here is the excerpt from the interview about his thoughts on Sasquatch and details from an investigation he did of a Sasquatch encounter in New Hampshire, the really interesting part was him discussing how the creature mesmerized or maybe hypnotized the witness, causing the man to go “all wonky”.